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MASTER FYNES HIS SPEECH IN PARLIAMENT: Touching the proffer of the Citie of LONDON by the Lord Maior: on Thurſday the 17. of February, 1641. to disburſe 60000 l. towards the ſuppreſſing the Rebellion in IRELAND.

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LONDON, Printed for F. C. and T. B. 1641.

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MASTER FYNES HIS SPEECH IN PARLIAMENT: Touching the proffer of the Citie of London by the Lord Maior, on Thurſday the 17. of Fe­bruary, to disburſe 60000l. towards the ſuppreſſing the Rebellion in Ireland. Anno Dom. 1641.

Maſter Speaker,

THis propoſition made by the Citie of London, for the loane of the ſumme of money, towards the ſup­preſſing of the Rebels in Ireland, is not in my opinion to be rejected: The conditions under which they will disburſe the ſame, is now the thing we have to conſider of: viz.

1. That London-Derry in Ireland, now in ſubje­ction to the Rebels, when recovered, may be reſto­red to them; and ſatisfaction made by the Rebels for the damage done thereto.

22. That all that ſhall be wonne, both lands and goods, from the Rebels, by the Army paid with their money, may be theirs for the ſame.

3. That if nought be recovered from them, they are willing to loſe their money.

Theſe propoſitions I conceive (under favour) to be very reaſonable, and may without much difficul­ty be conſented unto, and that for theſe reaſons.

1. The rebellion in Ireland is ſo generall, that it is not the force of one Army can ſuppreſſe them in every place; and if the like proffer were made ei­ther by other Cities, or the Merchants joyne to­gether, or if any great perſonages in this King­dome, whereof money or armes, or what force they could raiſe for other ſeverall places in ſubjection to the Rebels, and upon ſuch propoſitions to be pre­ſented unto the Parliament; I conceive it would be the ſpeedieſt courſe to ſubdue the Rebels, and reduce that Kingdome to the due obedience to His Majeſtie and the Crowne of England, and to the Lawes and Ordinances made by His Majeſtie, and His States of both Kingdomes.

2. By this means the Souldiers will be much ani­mated and incouraged to fight, when they ſhal fight not onely for Religion, their King and Countrey, but alſo for their owne profits and particular be­nefit, that what they valiantly win is their owne: This will put life and vigour into them, make them chearefull and willing to hazard themſelves, not onely in their perſons, but even their eſtates and fortunes, if need require, upon ſuch grounds and3 hopes, conceiving if they loſe their lives, or for­tunes, or both, yet may they be confident of their reward in the other world, even from God himſelf, and his Chriſt, whoſe cauſe they have undertaken, whoſe moſt holy Word and Doctrine they ſtrive to maintaine in its purity and ſincerity, his true reli­gion ſeeke to uphold and defend, and his honour and glory endeavour to vindicate. They cannot likewiſe expect otherwiſe then reward in their po­ſterity and kindred by their King and Countrey, whoſe cauſe it is alſo they undertake to defend, and whoſe honour and ancient fame and glory they en­deavour to revive, and vindicate againſt the open and publique enemies and adverſaries to the ſame.

3. By this means many that are revolted from the Proteſtants to the Rebels may be drawne to returne,nd many that are not yet revolted (although favou­rers of their cauſe, and well-wiſhers to them) nay perchance of their Religion, be dehorted from the ſame, and meerely for hopes of profit and prefer­ment, may remaine faithfull and ſtedfaſt in their ſervice to their lawfull King and native Countrey; What man but deſperate will take part in the de­fence of a cauſe that no way can bee conceived pro­ſperous or profitable; they may increaſe in ſtrength, and be permitted to do great miſchiefe and damage to the Proteſtants, but this muſt have an end, this cannot long continue, bloud requires bloud, ven­geance will be at laſt repayed by him who hath all power in his hands both of Heaven and Earth, to their ſhame and utter confuſion, and Chriſt and his4 ſervants muſt have the victory: nay, former times have made this manifeſt. The troubles in this Kingdome in the raigne of King Henry the eighth, by that faction raiſed after that Prince endeavoured to purge the Church and this Land of Idolatry, which continued from the 28. to the 31. yeare of his raigne, yet at laſt they were ſubdued both in this Kingdome and the Kingdome of Ireland, and the troubles in the raigne of Queene Elizabeth of good memory not much inferiour to the preſent diſtem­pers of both States, raiſed alſo by the ſame faction, were at length appeaſed and brought to true ſubje­ction to the Queene and Crowne of England: We have had experience aſwell now of later times as formerly of their devilliſh practiſes and ſtratagems privately agitated when they could not prevaile by publique inſurrection, yet few through the good providence of God have taken effect, but have been avoyded and prevented by ſome meanes or other. Theſe things conſidered and joyned with future hopes of preferment, may prove a maine cauſe to dehort Souldiers from revolting to the Rebels, and to draw ſuch as are revolted backe againe to their lawfull ſervice and true obedience.

4. Laſtly, hereby may forraigne States be mo­ved to withdraw their ayde and aſſiſtance, intended to ſupply the Rebels withall, when they ſhall per­ceive that ſuch force is providing of all ſorts of men for ſupply of the Proteſtants, and the reaſons and grounds which moves them ſo willingly to take Armes, that it is very improbable and unlikely5 ſuch ſucceſſe of their enterpriſes will follow as is deſired: And that the Rebels are very unconſtant if in danger to be overcome, and conſidering the un­juſtneſſe of their cauſe, being onely publique rebel­lion againſt their lawfull Soveraigne, onely cloaked and covered under the bare title of the defence of their Religion, and pretended liberties in the exer­ciſe thereof in that Kingdome, they (I conceive) will be the more cautious how they intangle them­ſelves in the defence of their unjuſt quarrell. And thus much of the reaſons why I conceive theſe pro­poſitions of the Citie of London is convenient and neceſſary to be conſented unto, and confirmed by Parliament: which notwithſtanding I humbly leave to the further conſideration of this Honourable Houſe.

Averred by George Nixon Clerke.

FINIS.

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TextMaster Fynes his speech in Parliament: touching the proffer of the citie of London by the Lord Maior: on Thursday the 17. of February, 1641. to disburse 60000l. towards the suppressing the rebellion in Ireland.
AuthorFiennes, Nathaniel, 1607 or 8-1669..
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Bibliographic informationMaster Fynes his speech in Parliament: touching the proffer of the citie of London by the Lord Maior: on Thursday the 17. of February, 1641. to disburse 60000l. towards the suppressing the rebellion in Ireland. Fiennes, Nathaniel, 1607 or 8-1669.. [2], 5, [1] p. rinted for F.C. and T.B.,London :1641 [i.e. 1642]. (Annotation on Thomason copy: "17 feb:".) (Reproduction of the original in the British Library.)
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